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Post by guitarbabe » Sat Aug 05, 2006 3:06 pm

they only have a few political songs which is why it pisses me off when people say they are a political punk rock band...and they have two rock operas so....

they can't really be labeled until some more stuff comes out...if it's political again then yeah say they are a political punk rock band i guess, that would be a good reason
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Post by painkiller182 » Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:35 pm

guitarbabe wrote:they only have a few political songs which is why it pisses me off when people say they are a political punk rock band...and they have two rock operas so....

they can't really be labeled until some more stuff comes out...if it's political again then yeah say they are a political punk rock band i guess, that would be a good reason
lol. Green day a political band :lol: ? Hardly. They've made only a handful of politcal songs, and only just to voice their opinions.

They aren't exactly extremely politcally driven like Rage Against The Machine, and Public Enemy either.

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Post by Djennik » Sun Aug 06, 2006 2:42 am

You forgot Anti Flag. I really like those guys :wink:
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Post by DaisyChainsaw » Sun Aug 06, 2006 6:12 am

painkiller182 wrote:
DaisyChainsaw wrote:
But a band can "grow up" in an interesting & innotive way. ;)
Greenday did not. They just became poppier, and added psuedo-political
lyrics which just come across as embarassing to be honest.
I don't have a clue if Green Day makes up politcal lyrics just because it is considered acceptable to attack George Bush or anything, but Green Day have certainly matured. Before they played 2 minute pop songs with fun lyrics. Now their making punk-rock operas, playing songs over 8 minutes at length (which is surprising for a punk band). Even though I'm not at all entirely impressed with their new sense of politcal lyriscm...its atleast a little different from their earlier albums. American idiot itself has a punk-rock/progressive feel to it. Although theres no denying that American idiot had divided their fans, it atleast shows their growth. And when you divide your fans like that because of your new "sound", you are maturing in an interesting way.
Don't agree at all. I don't think they have matured in an interesting
way at all. Yes, maturing is natural and good. But just lengthening
their songs and making them progressive isn't particularly an amazing
or innotive thing to do - especially in this day and age. It's the equivalent
of making any ol' generic pop song longer - yawn..

Punk-Operas are a nice idea, (altho already worn out by NOFX), but
this only constitutes two songs off of American Idiot. Hardly
representative of a 'new Green Day sound'. :roll:

While I've heard big Metal bands taking world music influnces from
different countries... or mixing in different western genres, the same
can't really be said for Punk, on any major or memorable scale. The
exception of course is Reggae - which produced Ska Punk, but that's
about it. Greenday could have done a lot more interesting things with
their music, in my opinion, and could have progressed their sound to
something 'innotive' and 'groundbreaking', whilst keeping their original
shtick. They didn't.

You might say (?) - maybe they 'didn't want to'. And you'd be right in
saying that. Still means they lack it, and aren't doing anything interesting.
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Post by painkiller182 » Sun Aug 06, 2006 7:32 am

DaisyChainsaw wrote: Don't agree at all. I don't think they have matured in an interesting
way at all. Yes, maturing is natural and good. But just lengthening
their songs and making them progressive isn't particularly an amazing
or innotive thing to do - especially in this day and age. It's the equivalent
of making any ol' generic pop song longer - yawn..
Never said it was innovative. I just said it was interesting. When American Idiot came out, I wasn't expecting a rock opera. Plus those long songs are far from the 3 minute pop songs that Green Day fans were use to. Maybe you didn't find it interesting, but I know I(and perhaps a few others)found it to be atleast a little interesting.
DaisyChainsaw wrote: Punk-Operas are a nice idea, (altho already worn out by NOFX), but
this only constitutes two songs off of American Idiot. Hardly
representative of a 'new Green Day sound'. Rolling Eyes
Not even close. You mean American Idiot only has 2 song cycles. Most of the songs in that album constitute to the rock opera as a whole. And your claim of NOFX having "worn out" punk rock operas is questionable. I don't know too much about NOFX, but those "punk rock operas" could possibly only be "concept albums". The only other notable punk rock opera I have heard about is Husker Du's "Zen Arcade".

DaisyChainsaw wrote: While I've heard big Metal bands taking world music influnces from
different countries... or mixing in different western genres, the same
can't really be said for Punk, on any major or memorable scale. The
exception of course is Reggae - which produced Ska Punk, but that's
about it. Greenday could have done a lot more interesting things with
their music, in my opinion, and could have progressed their sound to
something 'innotive' and 'groundbreaking', whilst keeping their original
shtick. They didn't.
Green Day lately is anything but groundbreaking. However their not singing their silly little pop-punk songs. Their recent lyrics have showed me their maturity, and the politics invoked in it are far different from the Green Day 10 years ago. I never made any arguments about Green Day being Innovative, or "Groundbreaking". All I said was that their change was interesting.

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Post by guitarbabe » Sun Aug 06, 2006 8:58 am

Djennik wrote:You forgot Anti Flag. I really like those guys :wink:
oh fuck, anti flag sucks
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Post by NIRVANA NIRVANA NIRVANA » Mon Aug 07, 2006 1:07 pm

what are you talkin about they're so fucking punk.
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Post by guitarbabe » Mon Aug 07, 2006 1:27 pm

political punk rock :x
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Post by NIRVANA NIRVANA NIRVANA » Mon Aug 07, 2006 3:40 pm

well punk is somewhat political...it is meant to make a statement.
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Post by guitarbabe » Mon Aug 07, 2006 4:00 pm

the ramones weren't political
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Post by NIRVANA NIRVANA NIRVANA » Mon Aug 07, 2006 7:19 pm

true but hey that's just one. the clash and sex pistols we're political.
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Post by guitarbabe » Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:11 am

the offspring's not political
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Post by NIRVANA NIRVANA NIRVANA » Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:56 am

the offspring are pop - punk....not TRUE PUNK
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Post by guitarbabe » Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:43 am

how dare you?

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Post by NIRVANA NIRVANA NIRVANA » Tue Aug 08, 2006 1:22 pm

you heard me :wink:

now go listen to blink 182 or something :lol:

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