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Re: Badmotorfinger is better than Nevermind

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:00 pm
by Canucker
ISayFuckYouSay... wrote:wow! not a big Soundgarden fan huh? that's cool :P

That's how I feel about nirvana, the songs start to sound the same, they all use like the same distortion, same sounds.

Soundgarden on the other hand have created some very unique tunings (E,E,E,E,E,E or F,F,D,D,D,D, etc)

And if they wear you out by the end of the album then they did their JOB! XD if I got to an end of a CD & was worn out, that woulda had to be some heavy shit! Imagine how worn out you'd be at the live show (Medical tent???)

The heaviest song on Nevermind is easily "Endless Nameless"

But I still don't think it could stack up to Slaves And Bulldozers.
I actually did see both bands live...the first and second shows I ever went to. Soundgarden suffered from what can only be described as massive technical difficulties....It was the SuperUnknown tour with NIN (and Marylin Manson, Reverend Horton Heat, You Am I, Pop Will Eat Itselfand more)....NIN must have overloaded the system and destroyed all monitors with flying keyboards cus Soundgarden just couldn't keep it together. Everyone has a bad show now and then but that plus they change in theyre music really left me forgetting about them. So yeah maybe a portion of my veiw stems from that. Still and album shouldn't start hurting your ears before your done....or at least not for someone whos use to listening to that kind of music. Every time I put on BadmotorFinger I'm always surprised how good it is but then after a couple of listens I put it away again for a couple of years.
Alternate tunings and coming up with new stuff is cool and can have awesome results but it doesn't guarantee that. I never for a second think that anything on Nevermind sounded like a new invention (which is weird considering my age at the time and limited range of what I was exposed to at the time).... to me it just sounded like music should sound....I wanted it to be more aggressive then the top fourty of the day but I guess still as produced cus that was pretty much what I was listening to at the time (whatever videos they played on Much Music...canadas answer to MTV). I hadn't yet discovered Punk Rock and Nirvana was a good stepping stone in that direction. I never felt Heavy meant better.

Re: Badmotorfinger is better than Nevermind

Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 6:11 pm
by Y2K-kyle
I like both albums. I can't really compare which one was greater. I can't at least.

Re: Badmotorfinger is better than Nevermind

Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 10:26 pm
by Beyond Jaded
Shit article/thread.

Re: Badmotorfinger is better than Nevermind

Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:41 am
by Y2K-kyle
Beyond Jaded wrote:Shit article/thread.
U mad bro?

Re: Badmotorfinger is better than Nevermind

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:44 am
by Beeswax
I have to say, Nevermind started it all for me but I never listen to it anymore.

Re: Badmotorfinger is better than Nevermind

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:39 am
by SayHello2Heaven
I think the trend i'm seeing is people are sorta afraid to admit how good "Nevermind" really is because they think they'll lose credability....Like a few years ago, EVERYONE loved "Nevermind" and nothing was better, now its like..."its just mehhhh"

To me, "Nevermind" is MILES better. I love "Badmotorfinger" and think a lot of SG material is amazing, but "Nevermind" was just a lot better...Whether you want to look at statistics, history, whatever, "Nevermind" is better....That doesn't mean "Badmotorfinger" isn't any good, it's an amazing album, but comapred to Nevermind I just don't see a comparison....

Plus the two bands played a different grunge sound, so it's tough to compare anyway.

Re: Badmotorfinger is better than Nevermind

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:52 am
by P A I V
SayHello2Heaven wrote:I think the trend i'm seeing is people are sorta afraid to admit how good "Nevermind" really is because they think they'll lose credability....Like a few years ago, EVERYONE loved "Nevermind" and nothing was better, now its like..."its just mehhhh"

To me, "Nevermind" is MILES better. I love "Badmotorfinger" and think a lot of SG material is amazing, but "Nevermind" was just a lot better...Whether you want to look at statistics, history, whatever, "Nevermind" is better....That doesn't mean "Badmotorfinger" isn't any good, it's an amazing album, but comapred to Nevermind I just don't see a comparison....

Plus the two bands played a different grunge sound, so it's tough to compare anyway.
I'm actually really surprised that you're taking Nevermind's side. Not because Nevermind is too "mainstream" or whatever, but because I just pegged you for a Soundgarden fan.

I'm not afraid of losing my "underground grunge kid cred" because I know I never had any, but I honestly have never really been a fan of Nevermind. It's alright and I listen to it every now and then, but I really don't see it as the classic that everyone thinks it is. To me, it's just another "eh" album. I really like Bleach, but Nevermind just doesn't do it for me.

Badmotorfinger, on the other hand, is heavy as fuck, written almost perfectly, has amazing and original instrumentation and structuring, and has 4 musicians that are all in my top 20 for their respective instruments. There's really no comparison between albums because BMF has such a huge groundbreaking sound and Nevermind is just another punk and pop influenced album that people happened to latch on to. Statistics and History all that really have nothing to do with comparing the albums, though.

Re: Badmotorfinger is better than Nevermind

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:36 pm
by Y2K-kyle
Mike & Paul, you two show a tremendous point:

It's very hard to compare these two legendary albums because both are really different. Badmotorfinger is just real heavy while Nevermind is....not that really heavy, yet it has a good sound.

But like I said before I like both albums. To me, one is not better than the other.

Re: Badmotorfinger is better than Nevermind

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 2:12 pm
by ISayFuckYouSay...
SayHello2Heaven wrote:I think the trend i'm seeing is people are sorta afraid to admit how good "Nevermind" really is because they think they'll lose credability....Like a few years ago, EVERYONE loved "Nevermind" and nothing was better, now its like..."its just mehhhh"
Whatever dude, that's never been the case wit me
Slugg wrote: I'm actually really surprised that you're taking Nevermind's side. Not because Nevermind is too "mainstream" or whatever, but because I just pegged you for a Soundgarden fan.
Come on man, no Melvins, no Soundgarden?

Re: Badmotorfinger is better than Nevermind

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 11:08 pm
by SayHello2Heaven
Slugg wrote: Not because Nevermind is too "mainstream" or whatever, but because I just pegged you for a Soundgarden fan.
I'm not a SG fan, I like them but not a massive fan.

Re: Badmotorfinger is better than Nevermind

Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:51 pm
by redrum
Agreed. Badmotorfinger is a lot better. Nirvana's stuff are just too simple, and Kurt Cobain is most likely the worst guitar player of the 90's. Soundgarden are a lot better musicians with a lot of unique tunings and rhythms.

Re: Badmotorfinger is better than Nevermind

Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:09 pm
by cupid_come_as_u_r
"Worst guitar player of the '90s?" Come on, man. Now, he may not have been a "technically good" guitar player, but neither were Robert Fripp, Robert Smith, Kevin Shields, Bob Mould, Bernard Sumner, J Mascis, Robin Guthrie or Greg Ginn when they started out. You know what they did to remedy that? They made a unique sound, and they've had much more time to do so considering they didn't commit suicide. Kurt really only had 5 years as a serious rock guitar player, so saying he's "the worst of the nineties" is unfair.

Re: Badmotorfinger is better than Nevermind

Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:13 pm
by redrum
He wasn't technically good, and that was exactly what I meant. He was however a big talent when it came to songwriting and making music. So what I meant was that Badmotorfinger is technically better than Nevermind. Which album or sound you like better however, is a different question.

Re: Badmotorfinger is better than Nevermind

Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:20 pm
by Sorlag
Really, a "bad" guitar player because you're not technically skilled?
A good guitar player is someone who can amplify emotions without being technically skilled.

Re: Badmotorfinger is better than Nevermind

Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:25 pm
by redrum
Two different interpretations on the term "good guitar player". I was maybe taking the question too literally, because music is, of course, much more than technique.