How is it Flop never went mainstream?

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How is it Flop never went mainstream?

Post by Jack_Armstrong » Sun Mar 25, 2018 5:07 pm

Just wondering really. Every time I listen to a track by Flop I think “Man, these guys should have been huge” and I know a lot of people who like Flop share that opinion. I mean, Whenever You’re Ready sounds like it could have ranked right up there as one of the most defining albums of alternative music. Rusty Willoughby is doubtless a rock music genius. But they never really got anywhere, being quite obscure in the US and more or less totally unheard of in the UK (where I live).

What happened to stop these guys becoming mainstream? Your thoughts are appreciated.

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Re: How is it Flop never went mainstream?

Post by incessantmace » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:32 am

Well they could have broken big in the wake of the punk revival but had too much of an indie sensitivity going on maybe..? I don't know either, World Of Today is a fantastic album but maybe they just didn't fit the grunge mold enough to really break through.
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Re: How is it Flop never went mainstream?

Post by Jack_Armstrong » Sun May 20, 2018 2:26 pm

I have posted on another music related forum, and apparently quite a lot of people know Flop :shock:

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Re: How is it Flop never went mainstream?

Post by Canucker » Sat May 26, 2018 4:32 am

there are a million ways for bands not to make it big. Poor management, no management, poor business skills, schedules that don't let them take advantage of opportunities if there are any, bad with money, don't enjoy travelling, don't like being ripped off..... its endless really.

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Re: How is it Flop never went mainstream?

Post by Jack_Armstrong » Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:38 am

Personally, I think the lead single from Whenever You’re Ready ‘Regrets’ just wasn’t good enough for the band to break big.
If something like ‘A Wylie’ or ‘Julie Francavilla’ has been the lead single, major success would have been way more likely IMO.

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Re: How is it Flop never went mainstream?

Post by incessantmace » Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:04 am

Canucker wrote:
Sat May 26, 2018 4:32 am
there are a million ways for bands not to make it big. Poor management, no management, poor business skills, schedules that don't let them take advantage of opportunities if there are any, bad with money, don't enjoy travelling, don't like being ripped off..... its endless really.
This pretty much. And it just shows that even in the 90's major labels didn't invest in bands' careers and development anymore like they did in the 60's and 70's. I wonder if there's a list of Seattle bands who got a major label contract and then were dropped again. Probably a long list :P
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Re: How is it Flop never went mainstream?

Post by XsInMyEyes » Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:23 pm

Loads of great bands didn't...or wouldn't for years. It adds, for me, to the appeal -- because the inevitability is when a band becomes everyone's property they lose some of their magic.
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Re: How is it Flop never went mainstream?

Post by incessantmace » Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:13 pm

Yeah but isn't that a problem in the "indie" or "punk" context rather than in general? I don't think any Beatles or Prince or Kate Bush or Rihanna fan ever complained about their favorite artist being "too well known", and the whole "disliking fame" thing stems from that sentiment that you "shouldn't become too successful". I mean in one way I totally get it but the whole history of grunge as a mainstream phenomenon shows us that virtually none of the bands who broke big were meant to do that, losing band members to drugs, depression and what else. I can't remember where I read it (probably in Everybody Loves Our Town) but someone once said that Seattle bands - I think Andy Wood/Malfunkshun was the given example but you could easily extend it to other bands and artists - were both mocking rockstardom and dreaming of actually achieving it, and when they got their big break they had to fill a role they weren't made for, and that's what broke them and made them turn to drugs or whatever. Even a band like AiC who were so firmly rooted in the glam metal scene weren't prepared for it, because they were from fucking Seattle.

So what I'd wish for any band that started out from the garage or after school club is to find their own sound and find their respective audience, be able to record and play shows and maybe get a little recognition and encouragement so they can and want to carry on. Making a living as a musician is harder than ever though, with all the mid-sized bands no longer making enough money on record sales and mid-sized labels disappearing. So in the end it boils down to a varying degree of self-exploitation which some people can afford (my colleague from school gets a decent salary as a teacher and hasn't got any kids yet, so this allows him to spend money on making records with his band and playing assorted gigs he could never live off otherwise), and some can't. Maybe this separates the idealists more from those who'd do it for fame or carreer but at the same time it's also a testament to the increasing commodification of art in the age of hyper-capitalism where you either make it *really* big or you don't make it at all.

Sorry for the rant, I better go to work now!
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